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Some Ground Rules for the Debate on Gun Regulation

I am only interested in one thing, and that is in finding the best solution to the problem. The problem with extremists and fanatics is that they only care about pushing their cause, not about solving the larger issue at hand.

I don't own guns and I don't mind if people do, within reason of course. And that’s the problem our society is struggling with right now — what is reasonable around gun regulation.

Step 1 is easy. Define the problem. I offer this up for starters: “What do we do as a society to reduce the likelihood of another tragedy like Sandy Hook, without excessively infringing on the individual?” It really does come down to how to balance the good of the many vs. the good of the individual.

Step 2 is research and that’s a problem. Research takes time, effort and resources. Few are willing to take these steps, but they will still seek to offer up their uninformed opinions anyways. I have said before that I don’t believe in the adage “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.” I take a different view: “Everyone is entitled to an informed opinion.” Sure, everyone can give an opinion, but it’s obvious that an uninformed opinion does not carry the same weight as an informed one.

I, for one, am going to leave the question of whether or not we, as a society, should regulate gun availability and ownership to those who have actually done the research necessary to make informed decisions around the issue. But I would like to offer up some suggestions for the rest of us while we are seeking to rationally discuss this complex issue.

What I won’t do is allow myself to be derailed from intelligent debate and discussion by extremists, fanatics and the uninformed. There are those few, a tiny few, who will always live on the extremes, ie. “No one should have guns” and “Everyone should have whatever guns they want”.

The vast majority of rational people will see these two positions as extremes and not waste time discussing them. So let’s agree to start the national debate by taking those two extreme positions right off the table. Let’s not waste another moment on them.

I am only interested in one thing and that is in finding the best solution to the problem. The problem with extremists and fanatics is that they only care about pushing their cause, not about solving the larger issue at hand. They come into the discussion from the point of view of protecting their position, not in coming to a greater understanding of the issue. In my book, that makes their input null and void.

As I look over articles in Patch about guns, I very quickly get overwhelmed by the sheer number of comments on these articles. Unlike the typical half dozen to a dozen comments most articles seem to receive, the comments on articles about guns are numbered in the multiple hundreds. And as I read through them, I find a great deal of these comments offer nothing valuable to the discussion. They are obviously extreme viewpoints that just waste a reasonable person’s time sorting through them to get to the reasonable comments.

Of course, that is often the goal — to derail reasonable discussion by falling into the trap of trying to speak reason to unreasonable viewpoints. So in an effort to avoid giving these few individuals more time and energy than they are worth, I offer up these suggestions to keep in mind while discussing any controversial topic and certainly that of gun regulation.

Don’t respond to extremist’s posts or comments. Ignore them completely.
Why give credence to these posts by replying to them? Why treat them as rational by trying to explain why they don’t make sense in the real world? These people take something that is merely “possible” and turn it into the “probable.” These are the conspiracy theorists. These are the people who make the mistake of “because it is possible for something to happen, it will happen.” This was one of my favorite Patch posts around this concept: “Let’s take gun control to it’s logical conclusion which is the complete disarmament of the citizenry. When this happens, what do we have? We have totalitarianism because when only the government has weapons, then the government has all the power." That is not the logical conclusion, it’s only one conclusion. And it’s probably the most unlikely conclusion too. It is simply paranoid and unbalanced to be focused on ending up in a place where the "the government has all the power."

Discuss the issue in terms of gun regulation, not gun control.
Lose the term “gun control” and use the less inflammatory phrase “gun regulation.” Any reasonable, rational person I’ve ever heard discuss this issue has never advocated abolishing a citizen’s ability to own a gun. I’m willing to bet that the term “gun control” was tossed out there as a means to rile up the less informed members of our society and start this whole “they’re trying to take away our right to bear arms” nonsense.

Don’t respond to “They want to take away ALL our guns.”
As soon as someone tosses this one out there, just walk away.

Don’t respond to arguments about the 2nd Amendment.
Let’s stop letting this one derail real discussion on controlling violence in our society. The answer is not going to be found in a discussion about what the 2nd Amendment really means to say. It will be found in looking at what is real in our society today, and then figuring out what makes the most sense from there.

Don’t get lost in definitions that are obvious to the majority.
This is just another tactic to derail an otherwise rational discussion. I found this absurdity in one series of comments on Patch: “You say that these were 'military weapons.' What does this mean? What is the difference between your 'military weapons' and your non military weapons?" Whoever this was, please stop wasting our time. Obviously, the writer meant guns that "spray" a slew of bullets in a moment, it means guns that are designed to be VERY efficient in killing masses of people — as in those used in the military.  This person’s statement shows no interest in solving the problem, merely in muddying the waters.

Ignore what comes out of organizations that have a vested interest in the status quo.
Gun manufacturers, gun vendors and the NRA have a lot of money to lose if tighter gun regulations become a fact. Organizations like these are not interested in the public good, they are interested in their pocketbooks. They are obviously biased and have no place in an open, reasonable and impartial discussion on what is best for our society. These organizations are going say whatever they need to say to stay alive.
We just had the experience of our political parties out-and-out lying — altering reality and history in order to push their agendas. We should certainly learn from that and know that these organizations are going to do the exact same thing to survive.

Don’t let the discussion be only about guns.
It’s a certainty that the issue of the growing violence of the Newtown/Columbine type has more that just one dimension to its cause. To get stuck in an argument over whether or not gun regulation is part of the solution to mass killings in our society shows a complete lack of understanding of the complexity of the issue. To solve this problem, we've got to look at ALL the aspects — gun regulation, mental health policies, parenting, and the glorification of guns and killing in the media and the gaming industry.

Bob Fawkes January 9, 2013 at 01:24 pm
Anybody on any type of psychotropic medication should be prohibited from owning, possessing and/or purchasing any handgun, long gun or any ammunition. Problem solved.
Anthony M January 9, 2013 at 01:38 pm
Laws and regulations still do not solve the problem. The Sandy hook Shooter did not own the weapons. he murdered the own and took them. Criminals do not go to the gun shop to get guns.
Richard Poulton January 9, 2013 at 02:25 pm
Morning JA. Problem not solved. Easier said then done. Current application for a carry permit does ask this one question. Have you ever been treated for any mental illness? Check the yes or no box. Application goes further and advises that the Ct Dept. of Mental Health will be checked to see if you had been committed for mental illness during the past 12 months.
So, if you lie on question one and have not been committed during the past year, but maybe many years ago, you will get that carry permit. Back ground checks only look for criminal arrest history. No one in law enforcement is hitting the street, knocking on doors, speaking with people that know the applicant, looking to determine the character and personality issues of the applicant. A hunter going out during deer season needs ammo. He goes to his local gun store and wants a box of 30-06 ammo, 50 rounds. Needs to re-sight before season starts then go hunting for his food. Counter man asks if hunter is on a med's. Hunter says no. Think about it.
melinda tillie January 9, 2013 at 03:46 pm
I dont own a gun and never felt the need for one,however in regards to the2 Amendment when it was written they didnt have weapons like the ones used in Newtown...It was Muskets that were used..quite a difference.
Dr. Zoloft January 9, 2013 at 04:46 pm
So you're saying, someone who has anxiety attacks, and is on medication, should lose their rights to protect themselves? Do you realize how many police officers alone are on anxiety medications?
Bob Fawkes January 9, 2013 at 04:55 pm
..Which is way we already have numerous subsequent Federal, State and Municipal restrictions and laws on the books in regard to keeping and bearing arms.
Bob Fawkes January 9, 2013 at 05:01 pm
I understand, Doctor. Police Officers on psychotropic medication should be especially restricted and monitored in this sense, given the thuggish mentality of many cops these days. Drinking and driving don't mix. Neither do mind altering drugs and guns. I can't make it any simpler than that.
Anthony M January 9, 2013 at 05:02 pm
Right the government only had muskets as well. The reason the wrote the second amendment is to protect the people from the government.
Bob Fawkes January 9, 2013 at 05:21 pm
http://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/the-aurora-colorado-tragedy-another-senseless-shooting-another-psychotropic-drug/
Anthony M January 9, 2013 at 06:37 pm
existing laws are not enforced. http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2013/jan/9/miller-dc-police-wont-arrest-david-gregory/#.UO2vRVD5VWI.facebook
police_abuse_steroids January 9, 2013 at 07:15 pm
http://www.ct.com/news/advocates/latest-news/nm-ht04ncsteroids-20120117,0,1840885.story
police_abuse_steroids January 9, 2013 at 07:19 pm
No doubt the cops in Connecticut are also abusing steroids. They simply have not been caught. Steroids are known to cause violent outbursts. Terrifying.
Peter T. Cianelli January 10, 2013 at 03:38 am
What is it that some people do not understand about "Shall Not be Infringed?" There's a reason our forefathers used those words only in the 2nd amendment...no other amendment has those words....let those words sink in real good when all the debates are finished on gun control ....
brian January 10, 2013 at 04:19 am
I read this article expecting a neutral opinion but it looked like this shit came out of Brady campaign
Sam Giglio January 10, 2013 at 02:51 pm
I was a hunter for many years in my young life, My Dad worked at Marlins in New Haven and North Haven, I even Worked at Winchester for a short time and was on there Club Shooting Team.
I never was one to eat the game that i would shoot but at the time had many Friends who I would give it to. After they passed then i never killed again just never added up to do so. I still think its a great sport if you use the game in the right way. Many Americans love the thought of owning guns, But I think we as a Country need to look hard at ASSAULT WEAPONS AND HIGH CAPACITY CLIPS.They only serve one purpose and that is to KILL. It will never been the only answer to this issues but it could be a start to have gun owners understood. Lets not use the 2nd Amendment to ease the pain of the Families who lost it all, Not just in Connectict but everywere there was a crime with this type of Weapon
Richard Poulton January 10, 2013 at 04:04 pm
As far as I am concerned, one of the best guns (rifles) to buy as a collector, is the WW-ll, M-1 Carbine. If I could afford it I would buy one, but at $1,200 a little to rich for me. But in looking at web sites for the M-1, which by the way I used in VN, I found that there were many, many on-line sites on the purchase of one. Interesting that there were just as many selling high capacity mags, 15, 30 & 40 rd types. On-line! Only stipulation was that if your state prohibited the sale, not going to happen. Same as in other caliber mags. So, what does one do if still wanted. Have sent to a "friend" in a sell state, and re-send via mail back to you. Easy. To stop this every state needs to have legislation prohibiting such mags. `By the way, most of the web sites advised that inventories are sold out. What does this say about the issue?
gunsarenotahobby January 10, 2013 at 11:32 pm
God, how utterly disgusting. Terrorizing wildlife for pleasure. You gun freaks are crazy. No doubt about it.
DonnaR January 20, 2013 at 04:40 pm
Amazing we agree on part of this anyway. The problem goes a little farther than that. One has to ask WHY the target is often the educational system and what role the education system plays in the over druging of our children. These studies go back to 1999 and to date nothing has been done. It is time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6zahJJojjY&feature=player_embedded#t=366s

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